Guide to finding land to hide on?

ertyu · Senior Member

Guide to finding land to hide on?

Prairie Jeepin · Member

Hi ertyu,

I'm not sure I understand your enquiry. How do you mean "finding land to hide on"?

Taking a guess...

Generally any public area is considered fair game. Private land should have permission granted by the owner or manager, same for Parks (provincial and Federal).

As for finding it, or a place (if I understand you correctly), any place you feel is worthy or interesting should suffice. There is no real guide or map, you just pick a place and make sure it is "ok" to place a cache there.

Hope that helped.

PJ

-- Edited by Prairie Jeepin at 18:45, 2005-05-09

ertyu · Senior Member

I'm kinda looking for some way to narrow down places to look. IE is there a map or guide to public lands. Some way to figure out who owns private land. etc.

Master Instigator · Member

I am not sure how you would go about it in the city other than looking at maps for different parks, but outside of the city I am sure you could contact the different municipalities and could obtain the maps showing which land is private and which is crown.

MHz · Veteran Member

Acutally I'm just going through the trial of getting permission to place a cache on privately owned land outside the city. It's been a bit of a hastle to track down the owners and I'm still working on it hoping the RM will help me out soon.

Sometimes it is well worth the effort to get permission then there can be no dispute about being on private land as has happened with scveral caches in Manitoba in the past year. I know of several caches placed by others that are on private land outside the city but I hunt them assuming the cache owners have gone to the trouble to get the proper permissions to have it there.

Of my present 4 active caches I only have verbal permision for 2 of them, Bison Castle cache and The Geo-Ktchen. I've never even thought about getting permission for the other 2 as one is in a City Park and the other is on Town owned land. If either go missing or are objected to, it's no big loss to me to loose them.

For sites outside the city, there are also various Tourism Associations that may help you find approval or give you ideas of where to place a cache. Most towns and RM have a tourism department or one tourism department for an area of Manitoba. To name just three there is the Eastern Manitoba Tourism Association, Parkland Tourism and Dauphin Tourism.

Generally, I place caches in areas where it is easy for me to maintain the cache.

So my advise is:
1) find a nice spot for a cache that is easy for you to maintain.
2) Find out who owns that piece of property and get some sort of permission to place the cache there.
3) Study the location of the cache. How often will it flood? How easy is it to get muggled? etc.
4) Setup your cache.

It took me about 3 months to setup the Bison Castle cache after I found where I wanted to place the cache. Look at the results of that careful planning. The orignal Scratching River cache took me 1 week and it showed as it was muggled within months.

I find finding a spot to place a cache is the easy part.

MHz

1queenand4jokers · Senior Member

My understanding has been that Manitoba public land such as local and provincial parks or land/wildlife management with the exception of National Parks and National historic sites are fair game. If the public is welcome - we are welcome. However private companies like Duck's Unlimited wish to control and place their own if any at all. There are hundreds of little parks/recreational areas that we, the public, finance with our taxes. Then there are little waysides/cemeteries/street corners/memorials/right of ways/ road allowances which need to be treated discreetly and with respect. If hiking trails/walks are encouraged in a given area (short of federal lands) I think it is fair game if the area isn't an ecological preserve. We redid one of ours to make it more respectful and to prevent damage to the local area after concerns were raised. Inexperience was our plea and we continually seek to improve.

In some cases it is difficult to know which land is private vs. public but if the public is welcome to access the area such as the "Little Church" cache or "Burnside" and it is not damaging to the area (which its not) why not? And if asked to remove it any of us who hide would do so quickly and apologize. I did contact some museums to see if they'd allow hides on their property but their concerns are people visiting after hours. An official visit to some museums would be great to see if we could place some as an Association supervised by the Museum. Such as Lower Fort Garry.

We have asked permission for several of our caches, which we were in doubt about, and were given it. In places where we can't place physical ones we could do multi's using numbers off of signs in parks etc. placing the actual cache in a public place. This is what we're proposing with a large museum we're in dialogue with.

Spotted Zebra · Newbie

For outside the city contact argh... it's on route 90. The Province does offer you very detailed maps for a small fee. Indicating crown land vs. private as well as who owns the land complete with names of the owners. I used to buy these when I hunted critters to recieve landowner permission. All you require is the name of the muninicipality (sp there's a word I don't spell everyday). Thinking back I think I stumbled upon them thru a hunting regulations guide... Looked in the phone book, no luck, Sunday no way to call for you.. Good luck

Dragonfreys · Senior Member

What you are looking for is landowner maps, which is sold by sheets for each rural municipality. I'm not sure where you can get them in Winnipeg but they are available from Repromap in Dauphin next to the Canadian Tire. Yes, very popular with hunters. They show crown land, parks, road allowances and many of the smaller church or monument lots. They also show landowner dwellings (buildings) so you can see, of the many quarters a landowner owns, which quarter (s)he actually lives on. They are usually about 1:50 K scale, but I see the province also sells 1:250K crown land maps.

http://www.canadamapsales.com/

For cities you can usually track down cadastral maps that show lot boundaries and may classify the lots by zoning or use. Most of this data can also be downloaded for free from the Manitoba Land Initiative website http://web2.gov.mb.ca/mli/ and used with most GIS software, which is by the way is licenced for use in every school in Manitoba.

Hope this helps,

Dragonfreys

prokhor · Newbie

Call MB Agriculture Food and Rural Initiatives, they have maps and generally know who owns what. http://www.gov.mb.ca/agriculture/contact/agoffices.html Just pick the office closest to where you want your cache.