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For best prices/ two day service/comparison shopping I'd shop at http://www.gpscentral.ca/ or http://www.GPScity.ca. They will reply quickly to your email. Even with shipping they are often cheaper than the city. my hubby ordered 4 of a kind for school and they knocked off more money because of buying multiples.
If money is no object then this one is fabulous and its waterproof and floats...
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Garmin GPSMAP 76CS Auto Routing Color GPS with Sensors $519.00 Canadian
Cachers Peter and Gloria have this one

Garmin 60CS, which many cachers dream of including us, is $474.95 CAD waterproof for 30 minutes at 1 meter depth.

Master Instigator and many others have this brand.
They have all price ranges of course and I'd tell them what I exactly wanted it for and then proceed. Both places are very helpful.

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Thought we would throw our 2¢ in. I've been using mapping grade GPS since way back in the day when they were only 6 channel and several thousand dollars a piece (i.e. a year or two anyway ). Those are the days of the Trimble Scout, Magellan's first attempts and the flashy Garmin 38, which looked something like a 12. We use GPS extensively where I work and have field tested many models, primarily Garmins.


For people starting out with simple needs, the best model I've seen in action is the Garmin Geko 201. It tracks well under cover, very simple and intuitive to use, and is inexpensive. For map capable units I would recommend the Garmin GPSMap 60 or 60C or Magellan Explorist 400. The integrated PDA of the iQue M3 or M5 is also useful if you don't take them out of a vehicle.


I've found the built in antenna in the Etrex and 72/76 series to be serious limitations in their performance and don't recommend them for purchase, even though I've done a lot of work with a GPSMap 76S and like the features otherwise. The only plus with them is the floating thing, which is useful if you are around water a lot and don't use the lanyards.


I wouldn't bother getting a GPS with an electronic compass or barometric altimeter. For one they both chew through your batteries, and a good handheld compass (Silva or orienteering) works better (you can sight a bearing at eye level rather than try to hold the GPS level in front of you while trying to see where you are going) and a compass will keep going long after your GPS has given up. Unless you are in the mountains or flying, altitude around here is fairly insignificant.


We have done a fair bit of business at Prairie Geomatics (http://www.prairie.mb.ca/) in Minnedosa and found them to be knowledgeable and competitive.


I've used the following models if you would like to chat more about any of them or just reminisce: Personally own a Garmin 12 (which is a good bush model), used Trimble Scout, Trimble Basic Plus, Garmin 38, Garmin 45, Garmin 12, 12XL, 12CX, ETrex, Etrex Legend, Garmin II, III, III+ and V (observed the aviation model of the Garmin III in action in a helicopter), IQue, IQue M3, IQue M5, Geko 201, 301, GPS 72, 76, GPSMap 76S, GPSMap 60, GPSMap 276C, and the Magellan eXplorist 400.


Obviously, mostly a Garmin user, but I was quite impressed with the eXplorist 400 and the integrated SD card, well inside the waterproofing. I've heard the topo maps for them are superior to the Garmin equivalent, about the same price, but updated more frequently, although I don't have enough exposure to the Magellan maps to say first hand. We've used the Garmin Topo Canada series and found it to be pretty good for most areas.


Anyway, probably information overload,


Hope this helps,


Cheers, Dragonfreys


Edit: fixed a pile of typos



-- Edited by Dragonfreys at 09:45, 2006-02-23

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Hey Dragonfreys, nice job summarizing the GPS units/capabilities.  I also use mapping grade GPS for work.  Not quite back to the Trimble Scout days, I started with a Trimble GeoExplorer 3 and we now use the Trimble GeoXT for work.


I agree with you on the fact that the electronic compass is not worth the extra cost.  In fact, I find it more "jumpy" for lack of a better term. 


I don't agree with you on the eTrex series though.  I started out with an eTrex Legend and still keep it around as a back up even though I've since upgraded to the Garmin 60c.  It is a great little unit; inexpensive and easy to learn.  It may have a hard time picking up a signal under heavy canopy, but I find that if you have a lock on the satellites before going in the woods, it keeps it fairly well.


 



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I don't agree with you on the eTrex series though.  I started out with an eTrex Legend and still keep it around as a back up even though I've since upgraded to the Garmin 60c.  It is a great little unit; inexpensive and easy to learn.  It may have a hard time picking up a signal under heavy canopy, but I find that if you have a lock on the satellites before going in the woods, it keeps it fairly well.  


Etrex Legend There are a number of features I like about the Legend including the thumb toggle, size, cost and map capability, but where I work it is not always possible to start in an open area. I've watched Etrex and GPS 72/76 units fail where Geko 201 units carried on.


I think part of it is design. It looks to me that the Legend was designed for left handed people. If you use it with your right hand you end up blocking the antenna with your thumb and part of your hand while you are using the thumb toggle. Also with the side buttons so high along the unit I often see people choking off the antenna. If you want to see how effective your body is at blocking signal check out the advanced skyview page and watch the signal strength with your hand near or over the antenna area. Even if you are using the unit with all this in mind, it still doesn't seem to pick up signal as quickly or well under cover as most other Garmin units.


To me the most important feature of a GPS is satellite acquistion, lock and reasonably accurate position, and all the other features are gravy, but that's just my opinion.



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hey thanks for all the great info we where thinking of the garmin gps 60 as it is inexpensive and easy to learn the only problem is only 1 meg of memory   what should we be looking at and what kind of maps can you load only on 1 meg. so if someone can tell me what we should be looking at as we would use it for geocaching fishing hunting and maps for driving or are we asking too much for the low price? and why are lawerence gps units so cheap is this a reflection of how well they work?


any info shared is always welcome


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Wow after that systematic comparison - I think we'll just stick to our Geko 201 and the Etrex Legend, both of which we use. The Geko is awesome under heavy tree cover!!! The Etrex does feel made for left-handed people but it does have nice base mapping for the cities. Our complaint about the Geko 201 was the triple A batteries but since we use the cig lighter cable while driving we no longer run out of juice. We do not use rechargeables anymore either just straight batteries.... Is it possible to hook the Geko up to the PDA and then do realtime on the mapping on the PDA? Another problem would be how many power cables can you pop into one cigarette lighter?

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ok im on a mission now i know i want a garmin 60 series and i think the 1 meg of memory is too small now i need to know if the colour screen and 56 k memory is worth the extra 200.00  the choices are
GPSMAP 60 and GPSMAP 60C

both are  garmin makes  i know the 60c takes the sdmicro card but is it worth the money for a bunch of people who are new to this?


 


 



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My brother has the GPSMAP 60c and is very happy with it. I'm not sure if he's loaded any maps into yet but if he did it would be as much of Calgary as he could fit. I don't think he bought anything extra for it but the suckion cup mount as he does use the routing quite often.

For memory, it depends on how many maps and type of maps you want to load into it. If all you want is Winnipeg and sothern Manitoba, you only need a couple of megs. Street level for other cities will take up more room depending on the size of the city.

My old Garmin GPS III Plus has 1 MB of memory and did very well for me for quite a while. I bought my Garmin GPS V to get more memory as I wanted to load a big area of maps both Street level and topos so it's 19MB is serving me just fine.

That should give you some estimate on how much memory you might need and maybe narrow down your choice.

Someplace else to consider buying a GPS from is Prairie Geomatics out of Minnedosa, MB. I find thier prices very reasonable and they usual have what you want in stock.
http://www.prairie.mb.ca/
Happy shopping! MHz

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I can sure relate to the cigarrette lighter adapter issue.  GPSr, Cell Phone, PDA, and on long trips, we plug in the power converter to run my notebook to play movies for the kids in the back seat!  I'm constantly swapping adapters.  You can buy a 1 to 2 adapter that allows you to plug 2 things into one socket.  Maybe that would help...


I use a Magellan Meridian and I find it works well, even in tree cover.  The menu system is fine and the SD card that can hold lots of maps is good.  Especially if you are travelling.  But it does one thing that drives me nuts.  The power button is far to accessible and easy to press.  I am CONSTANTLY shutting the thing off accidentally.


One note about the barometric altimiter on the CS(x) model:  Doesn't it also allow you to track changes in barometric pressure?  This would prove useful to some backpackers/hunters/fishermen.  Nice to know when there may be higher likelihood of those clouds overhead dispersing, or soaking you!  I agree that nothing beats a good compass, so I am not sure that it is necessary to have one built on to the GPSr.



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Lizardo, have you turned on the power key protection?

That helps, although I still accidently turn it off sometimes.

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What is this power key protection you speak of?!? All I have is after you press it once, there is a 5 second timer that shuts it off unless you press escape. I'm considering modifying the unit somehow to protect the power button.

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All of this discussion about Magellan units has me intrigued. I don't have much exposure to Magellan receivers and they sure seem to have a lot of features. They may have the potential to convert a loyal Garmin user.


We use Energizer rechargables and have had pretty good luck with them.


Stumbled across this army discussion forum on the exact same topic, found it interesting, you may too: http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=36513.0;all Those people spend a fair amount of time outside, and even if you don't find any good information in there it is sure entertaining.


Here's some more discussion:
http://forums.groundspeak.com/GC/   -  one specific forum on GPS units, a lot of the people posting there have experience with multiple units...
http://gpsinformation.net/                 - reviews of many GPS units...


Easy to get information overload.


Looks like the Magellan Meridians are well thought of.


Cheers, Dragonfreys


 



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Lizardo, Menu->Setup->Power Key

It then requires that you hold power to turn it on, and hold it then press enter to turn it off.

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Is it possible to hook the Geko up to the PDA and then do realtime on the mapping on the PDA?


Theoretically, yes. It is easier with units that output NMEA standard because more software works with that format, but I've heard of that you can use any GPS with the right cabling and software. The trick is to find the cabling and software and whether it is worth the effort and expense.


Not sure which type of PDA you are linking to but here's the type of cables you would need: http://www.pcables.com/prod6.html As you can see they aren't cheap. The next trick is getting the right real time mapping software that uses the Garmin protocol.


It's a fun technical challenge and exciting when it works.


 



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Garmin now makes the GPSmap60cx With a memory expansion slot that can hold up to 1 gig. It also has an upgraded antennae that better than the quad helix in the 60c and 60cs.


S.I.R. has them in stock now.



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Yes, the "X" series looks wonderful. I wish I had an excuse to upgrade.

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Here comes the inevitable question for all of you who seemingly are uppgrading GPSr's faster than we can cache - Are you keeping or selling your "old" ones and where? Or do stores take them in trade?

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I want to get the new Garmin 60cx unit so bad!  I have heard that it can track satellites even in the basement of a house.  I can only imagine what it could do under heavy tree cover or in valleys.  I always said if my Garmin 60c had a memory card, it would be the ideal GPS.


If I did upgrade, I would probably sell off my old 60c and my Magellan Meridian Platinum (probably on eBay).  I've been keeping old Maggie since that was the only GPS I had that used a memory card.  It's useful for long roadtrips where you need to save many maps/caches.  I am definitely a Garmin Girl though.


I would still keep my backup eTrex Legend though.  I don't care what people say about it, I still think it's a great little unit.  It's not actually designed for left-handed people, but it is designed to be used in your left hand.  That way it leaves your right hand free for searching for those caches.


 



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It's not actually designed for left-handed people, but it is designed to be used in your left hand.  That way it leaves your right hand free for searching for those caches.  

Good point. I hadn't thought of it that way. No matter which hand you use, it obviously has a warm place in your heart. I think it would be hard to sell something that has guided you through so many adventures.

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polarbeardiggers are now in a quandary, purchase a pda or goto the garmin 60cx, oh my head is spinning,.

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I have been using a Garmin 60cs since last summer and think it is awesome. If something happened to it I would replace it in a second.  


As required I load US Topo, Cdn Topo and City Select Maps maps on it for whatever area I am travelling in. I too would love a new 60csx but have yet to run out of storage space on my current unit. On big trips I also bring my laptop with all the possible caches for the region.


I like having the mapping capabilities because in new cities you can easily find caches based on roads and parks. With City Select all parks and lakes are shown along with streets and freeways. I found this very helpful in cities like Calgary and Minneapolis.


Hope this helps.


Oh yah, www.gpscentral.ca is awesome I had my 60cs in 2 days from Calgary.



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If any of you out there are upgrading to a cx, and you want to sell your used 60c, let me know.  Thanks

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I recently purchased a Dell Axim 51v, and it happened to be bundled with a bluetooth GPSr; it came with some navigation software (Navteq), which is only useful for driving. Does anyone know about geocaching-friendly software that I could download to my pocketpc? I've tried Beeline and GPSDash, but the versions I found could not detect my Bluetooth GPSr - they look for it on a non-existent COM port. I don't want to dish out cash for software unless it's really good. Junglehair, do you know about this stuff?

Polarbeardiggers, one thing to consider when comparing GPSr's with PDA's is what you'll use it for. I wouldn't spend the extra cash on a PDA unless you'll use it for more than just caching; I love my PDA's compatibility with my laptop, and it is infinitely expandable with both SD and CF card slots - and bluetooth is a must for communicating with other devices. I guess this shouldn't turn into a PDA forum, though! I haven't done a lot with my GPSr that came with my Axim, but it did get a decent satellite reading from inside the house, I think better than my Magellan Sportrack (although I haven't done any serious testing yet).

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thanks for the advise frees,i do actually plan to use my pda when i get it for more than just work,i have picked out my choice,and it will be the palm tx model ,i can actually take out my sd card from the camera and play it on the palm,plus i would like to use it for ebooks,and even as a mp3 player,i have researched this model quite a bit,i would just want to download waypoints with the clue pictures of some caches and a few logs like turdleEggs has on his pda,i do not want to use it for finding caches at all,plus this model has bluetooth and wifi, i can even check the internet going through the cell phone,i even plan on using it a work to a point,just waiting for my tax refund to come in,.

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ok we did it we picked a gps  we decided on the garmin gpsmap60c and boy does it work now if anyone has suggestions as to what maps to get or wher to get them already fornd a copy of canada topo maps but would like some of the citys and any that might be good for local lakes and rivers


 


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p.s. my wife can already do more with the gps than i can she even takes it to work for lunch hr geocaching



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I use North America City Select  almost 100% of the time. Not just for geocaching it works great for travel in the US and Canada. I have found it to be very accurate. I use it to find hotels, stores and restaurants while on the road. I don't use my topos as much as I thaught I would. In the mountains yes but around home they aren't as necessary in my mind. Hope that helps.

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I was introduced to Geocaching by Ginny212 and TAG212. Talk about being hooked. I bought a Garmin GPSmap60CSX. (Birthday present). I love this thing. It came with 64 meg micro SD installed. That gave me enough room for Manitoba south of Hecla and Lake of the woods. I will be upgrading that memory soon so I can load up any vacation areas that we might be heading for.

The only problem now is what maps to use for tourist traveling in Canada. Does anyone have any sugestitions as to which city maps are the most current and have the better POIs?

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